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Hi guys, thought I would start a Topic on the much anticipated 2011 ZX10R that Chris will be riding next year. I have been searching the net to see if I can find any information on it. I know its still a while away but we should start to get more details soon. In the mean time this is some of the stuff I have found so far.
From interview with Chris,
Although this year is a vitally important one for Vermeulen and Kawasaki, there is no doubt that both parties are looking ahead with heady anticipation for the arrival of an all-new ZX-10 for 2011.
“Some of the information we have been gathering on the current bike is really good, as it’s all going towards the 2011 bike – where our main priority is,” said Vermeulen.
“I’ve seen some prototype 2011 bikes already and it’s completely different – and looks pretty special. Until I throw a leg over it I can’t really say, but I’ll definitely be testing that during this season.
“That whole project is what really drove me to Kawasaki, but I’m trying not to get ahead of myself.
And from another interview,
You mentioned that in previous years the Kawasaki hasn’t been the most competitive bike on the grid. What are your thoughts on that heading into 2010, and is there anything specific that’s been done to improve it?
Yeah, we’ve had a lot of small changes: we’ve had a new electronic system go onto the bike, we’ve had a little power increase, we’re always modifying chassis parts and suspension parts to try and get the best package. So basically, small development things, but I know the guys—especially Japanese [Kawasaki] guys—are not a hundred percent focused on this particular motorbike; they’re trying to get as much information as they can on what we need for the 2011 bike, which is already up and running as a prototype. That is our goal: to have the team ready to win races, and a bike ready to win races, come the start of next year. I think a little bit of everything is actually going toward that. When I’ll throw a leg over the new bike, I’m not sure yet, I haven’t been given a schedule. But I’ve been on track while they’ve been around, testing in Japan, and the bike looks really trick
Ill post some other things I have found, but if anyone knows anymore or has found any other info (I know theres a few Kwaka fans here) let us know!!!
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And could the ZX10R go big bang? An ariticle from AMCN that someone has posted on another forum. < http://www.zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=69884 > Thats all I got so far folks.
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The story about the 'Big Bang' engine has been going around since last summer (last winter for the ones living in Australia ;) ) And it's supposed to be a real 'Big Bang' engine and not like the R1 crossplane engine. The new model should have been introduced this year but because of the crisis and some extra development time Kawasaki decided to delay it for one year.
There will probably be more information available in 6 months and maybe the bike will be introduced at the end of this year. It buys me a little bit more time to save some money for a new bike ;)
Edit: I expect the new ZX-10R to be a lot lighter, just like the new ZX-6R (10kg lighter than previous model). And it will probably have a Showa BPF front suspension like the '09 ZX-6R and the '09 GSX-R1000. Maximum power will be the same but it will have more torque in the low and midrange. I've seen all of this in my crystal ball ;)
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It will be very interesting to see what arrangement new ZX 10 will have.
I think they need more radical changes in chassis and more adjustability options (front fork angle, swing arm pivot, engine mount, under seat fuel tank...) if they want to be on top, remember ZX7 RR it was radical :)
Idea of Big-Bang engine is very interesting, and if it will have conventional crankshaft(180°) with 1. - 4. and 2. - 3. cylinder firing together the rear tyre and engine feel will be ok whole race but what is about peak power and camshaft distribution?
With this setup and opening of two sets of valves(two cylinders together) camshaft chain will be weak and maybe they need to use gears? The gears are noisy and production bikes need to have that option if SBK version has that, that is similar to Aprilia RSV4 which uses gears in SBK and has that gear option like tuning part for serial RSV4.
This is great topic :)
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Kawasaki engine's are already noisy so gears instead of a chain won't be a problem. With the big bang engine maximum power should be about the same as the current engine because it still uses a 180 crankshaft and the maximum amount of rpm shouldn't change. I believe a fuel tank under the seat is not necessary on the streetbike because they can change it on the racebike (Suzuki did that too).
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Design of crankshaft and crankcase will need to be very strong because of long firing pause and big power pulse when two cylinders fire together, the same is for camshafts so this could be small limiting factor for high rpms.
Maybe the crankshaft will spin backwards for better elimination of gyroscopic effect which helps in handling and less prone to wheelies while accelerating.
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It's a bit off topic but I'll post it anyway. I just did a testride on a 2009 ZX-10R. It was dark and the roads were a bit wet but that didn't stop me! What a great bike this is, and enormously powerfull. Some pictures with me on the bike: 
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Your suit and bike color are in great harmony :)
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Yes, they fit nicely together :) It's time to sell my 636 so I can get this bike!
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< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDL7iQMDXjw > I wonder what mag this was from. Dont think this will be it. If it was the bottom half looks trick.
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It looks weird, with those 'old school' air-hoses from a ZXR750. Also the main frame looks a bit stretched and the headlight is from a Suzuki or KTM.
I think the bike/engine will be more compact with a longer swingarm. And also a bit slimmer than this picture.
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Hi boys and girls,
I would like to add my opinion on the new 2011 ZX10R. Bas they did not delay production because of the crisis but because probably of the long development process of the new Bike. If you check back on Paul Bird (WSBK Kawa boss) comments long before the crisis he mentioned that. SRAD you are correct the crankshaft will be heavy on the big bang engine and it is a rev limiting factor. A complex adjustability the way you are referring to is not a good idea for road bikes because for a simple rider like myself and other if all those adjustments go wrong then I may need to visit Kawa shop every other day. This is not the Japanese philosophy on any product. Remember bikers like to pretend that they know everything! So I end up saying that most probably the will have a V4 engine because is narrow with adjustable position (for WSBK regulations), variable inlet stucks, variable valve timing (GTR), adjustable traction control, monoblock brake, ABS and big piston forks.
By the way I already made a deal with the local dealer to buy one, trading in my current ZX10R. The reason is simple: it has the three magic words “MADE IN JAPAN” and produced by KAWASAKI !!
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CSS Michael wrote:Hi boys and girls,
I would like to add my opinion on the new 2011 ZX10R. Bas they did not delay production because of the crisis but because probably of the long development process of the new Bike. If you check back on Paul Bird (WSBK Kawa boss) comments long before the crisis he mentioned that. SRAD you are correct the crankshaft will be heavy on the big bang engine and it is a rev limiting factor. A complex adjustability the way you are referring to is not a good idea for road bikes because for a simple rider like myself and other if all those adjustments go wrong then I may need to visit Kawa shop every other day. This is not the Japanese philosophy on any product. Remember bikers like to pretend that they know everything! So I end up saying that most probably the will have a V4 engine because is narrow with adjustable position (for WSBK regulations), variable inlet stucks, variable valve timing (GTR), adjustable traction control, monoblock brake, ABS and big piston forks.
By the way I already made a deal with the local dealer to buy one, trading in my current ZX10R. The reason is simple: it has the three magic words “MADE IN JAPAN” and produced by KAWASAKI !!
I dont think that new ZX 10 R will be a V4, it is not Kawasakis philosophy for production bike, it wasnt even for GP project with ZX RR. There were some speculations with big-bang inline 4 which was mentioned in this topic but who knows what it will be :)
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I agree with SRAD, there will be no V4 engine.
It's is true that a bigbang engine will need a heavy crankshaft to keep enough momentum for it to keep turning. Because off this extra weight the engine won't rev as fast or as high as a conventional inline four. But the story about the bigbang engine also mentioned the use of a small electric motor that helps the engine keep its momentum at low revs. Because of this motor the crankshaft doesn't need to be so heavy and can rev as fast and high as a normal inline four. The electric motor can also be used as a alternator when it's not operating as a motor.
Let's just wait and see what Kawasaki come up with.
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I know that a V4 it is not in Kawasaki’s philosophy and I also know the project screamer that everybody liked the sound of it. But they must come up with something very radical to start winning. Now the story with the motor/alternator solution is not very good one. Think about it, they must build a really heavy unit to be able to help a heavy crankshaft spinning from zero to fourteen thousand revs. Also they should place it in to the middle of the shaft to be able to equally distribute the energy and also have mass centralization. I think V4 is the best solution but I’m not sure if the will follow this path. Kawasaki’s knowledge goes with parallel twin (therefore big bang) and four in line (see screamer). Anyway I’m expecting my new bike early next year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjou0zRJZBE
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CSS Michael wrote:I know that a V4 it is not in Kawasaki’s philosophy and I also know the project screamer that everybody liked the sound of it. But they must come up with something very radical to start winning. Now the story with the motor/alternator solution is not very good one. Think about it, they must build a really heavy unit to be able to help a heavy crankshaft spinning from zero to fourteen thousand revs. Also they should place it in to the middle of the shaft to be able to equally distribute the energy and also have mass centralization. I think V4 is the best solution but I’m not sure if the will follow this path. Kawasaki’s knowledge goes with parallel twin (therefore big bang) and four in line (see screamer). Anyway I’m expecting my new bike early next year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjou0zRJZBE I think the alternator thing could be there only for idle speed and small revs for production bike. SBK version probably wont need that because of high idle revs(around 3000 rpm). In 2001. in British Supersport championship Scott Smart Suzuki team was testing GSX R 600 with big-bang(together 1.-4. cylinders and 2.-3.) firing order on conventional(180 degree) crankshaft and they did not use alternator but they did have problems with camshaft chain opening two sets of valves... In 2006. Yamaha Virgin team from British Superbike championship was testing on YZF R1 big-bang configuration on conventional crankshaft too but they did not have firing order with 1.-4. together and 2.-3. together. The firing order was: 1. cylinder after 180 degrees 2. and 3. together, than after 180 degrees 4. and after 360 degrees it goes again from 1. cylinder.
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Yes i know both projects, but they both failed.
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Have to run out and get a copy of AMCN appartently they have an article on it and another rendering on the front page. Seems the renderings are getting worse, go to < http://www.ksrc-au.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29934&start=0 > to have a look at the pic. Ill have a read and get back to you guys on what it sais. Hey Bas how did you manage to get your photos on the post? Did you manage to get any from Assen? If you did post em for us.
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Michael wrote:Have to run out and get a copy of AMCN appartently they have an article on it and another rendering on the front page. Seems the renderings are getting worse, go to < http://www.ksrc-au.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29934&start=0 > to have a look at the pic. Ill have a read and get back to you guys on what it sais. Hey Bas how did you manage to get your photos on the post? Did you manage to get any from Assen? If you did post em for us. Use [ img]<insert address for photo>[/img] (but without the space between [ and img) I never made it to Assen, so no photo's :( Me and a friend had a terrible accident on Saturday. He ended up in the hospital with a broken vertebrae and a badly broken wrist. Luckily I'm fine! But both our bikes are TL. And you are right about the rendering, it's even worse ;)
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